Posted: 9:46 pm Friday, January 17th, 2014

Notes: Snoddy running track again 

By Ken Sugiura

A few notes regarding a few players present and past.

1. B-back Broderick Snoddy has returned to the Georgia Tech indoor track team. Snoddy ran last year and broke the school’s 60-meter dash record three times and qualified for the NCAA indoor track championships. His first meet is Saturday in Birmingham, Ala.

2. Former Tech defensive back Jemea Thomas will play in the East-West Shrine Game Saturday in St. Petersburg, Fla. The game is at 4 p.m. and will be televised on the NFL Network. He’ll play for the East team.

Thomas has received positive reviews from scouting services. Optimum Scouting called Thomas “the clear impressing defensive back” for the East team in Thursday’s practices with two interceptions and a few pass breakups. The report added, though, that he “didn’t shine all that much during the week.”

3. Former defensive end Jeremiah Attaochu will begin practice at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., on Monday. The NFL Network will cover practices Monday through Thursday and also the game on the 24th. As part of the South team, Attaochu will be coached by the Jacksonville Jaguars staff. The Falcons staff will coach the North team.

 

51 comments
Yellerbug
Yellerbug

I just don't see CPJ creating special plays for certain players to maximize a particular skill or quality.  CPJ is a systems man---get with the system follow the program.


However, I wish he'd consider it.  Super and others had some valid critiques of Snoddy and yes CPJ has tried him in places such as returning KOs but it seems that blazing speed does not translate as well to finding creases or making moves.  Yet, designing a tunnel screen, or flair pass, reverse of something else where the potential exists to get Snoddy running north-south, then we should do it.


If as MBob says, we're looking at everything, then let's look at the mechanics of our play calling as that's something engineers can help CPJ--he's still the genius to call the play, but if we change the way we call our plays, it could give us an advantage.


So which has more potential---grabbing the next A-back or WR and sending in a play from the sidelines to a huddled offense---or sending in specific personnel to match up against the D for a particular play call---possibly going no huddle to line up against the D---see how they are playing it---then adjust the call from the sidelines taking the pressure off the QB.  Whatever you think of CPJs play calling, it is obvious his offensive play calling system is NOT optimized.  We don't have to run 90 plays a game---we can take 35 seconds to run each play, but we can also line up---make adjustments, insert the optimum player set of A & B backs/WRs and run the play that is best!

OldJacketFan
OldJacketFan

Congrats to Jemea for being selected to the Senior Bowl as well. One more chance to line up with Sneezy!

charlestonian77
charlestonian77

last season was really no mystery to me. well it was at first. for the longest time i thought that vad was playing injured.  he was getting caught from behind by players that hadnt done that before.  more often than not the first time an opposing player touched him behind the line he dropped like a sack of potatoes.

recent interviews by team mates of vad AND vad make it clear that we played a qb that had lost interest in playing for gt.  i dont care who you play for. if your qb plays halfheartedly you get halfhearted results.

imo vad had already made up his mind by the uga game. his game was a last ditch effort to win one for his team mates before he moved on. 

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

Just got a little curious about Vad and his performance running this season.   He set new lows for any primary QB under PJ at GT with his 2.8 ypc avg and his longest run being a paltry 21 yarder. 


The previous low avg/rush was Nesbitt in 2009 - 3.7.  But Nesbitt had 279 carries for 1,037 yds that season.

The previous low longest run was Tevin in 2010 - 29. 


Vad had 96 rushes in 2012 and 9 TDs.  In 2013 he had 182 rushes and only 8 TDs.  


Not good.

Dawgonnit
Dawgonnit

Y'all think this is frustrating....in 1980 Tech ties Notre Dame 3 - 3 while they are ranked #1 in the Nation and then UGA beats Fl in Jacksonville on the same day. Tech uses a little known converted TE to QB for the game name Ken Whisenhunt.  Tech finishes 1-9-1.  Even Mike Kelly could have run the Veer back then.  So I'm thinking of the recent Jackets that may have been better utilized...Snoddy is one, Drummand, Shaw, Taylor, Jackson, The Day's Brothers, Watson,...Unfortunately this is a Tech thing...Gailey wins the National Champtionship at Troy St. running the Wishbone but doesn't run the option at Tech?....One of these days will figure it out.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

Good for him. He'd probably be a good back in a real offense, instead of this junk we run with offensive guards and tackles weighing in around 225, diving at shoelaces, to "block". Does Paul Johnson know that our players don't have to fit inside F-18s or be able to run 10 miles, and do pull-ups like SEALS!?

Can't wait for Tech football 2015 and a fresh start and NO MORE OPTION football!!

Jaded_Jacket
Jaded_Jacket

He needs to run track...not doing much running on the football field.  We need to find a way to get him the ball in space, i.e. screen pass, counter.  I don't think he's big enough to take the B-Back punishment.


We have all this speed that's not utilized.  I don't recall to many big plays from the A-back spot other than Godhigh

POAD2013
POAD2013

Who actually pays for  the NFL network?

BigTimeTECHFan
BigTimeTECHFan

Don't give up on Snoddy,


He may get a lot of carries this year, going to be a battle between Laskey, Snoddy, Custis, and I think Wilson is going to be worked at both A&B back.

Snoddy looked pretty good last year and I was hoping he would get more carries.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@ D-Sheets.......Snoddy's speed won't help him, if he continues to back up when defenders come at him.  Not saying he is backing up to avoid being hit; it's his attempt at elusiveness.  I like it that he is trying to elude the defenders, and if he ever does, he will be able to turn up the burners and fly down the field, but he turned too many short-gain or no-gain situations into losses.  Hopefully more experience will fix that for him.  Better blocking by his teammates will obviously help too.

KenAJC
KenAJC moderator

BTTF - Usain Bolt on rollerblades.

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

Snoddy ran last year and broke the school’s 60-meter dash record three times and qualified for the NCAA indoor track championships.

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And this is very disappointing b/c PJ seems to not want this speed on the football field.  Somehow PJ needs to find a way to get Snoddy the ball in open space and see what he can do.  If BS is successful then PJ's got a great weapon (or decoy) every time Snoddy comes onto the field.  

BigTimeTECHFan
BigTimeTECHFan

Snoddy is fast, but I wonder how fast he would be if he played in the SEC.


charlestonian77
charlestonian77

@Dawgonnit so your saying that ken whisenhunt was a qb and we mis used him as a te? 

nothing like revisionist history eh?

"Lengthening the odds of an upset, Curry lost his starting quarterback in the first quarter and, as he recalled Sunday evening, his No. 2 signal caller limped off the field for good in the second quarter -- with the Yellow Jackets backed up to their own 4-yard line."

"His best position clearly was tight end, but we lined him up at fullback, wide receiver, quarterback. I don't know, but maybe that's helped him now in understanding the [synergy] of all those positions."

we lost our 1st and 2nd string qb.  there was no revelation. whisenhunt didnt play qb again that i recall. it was out of necessity. but hey if it makes you feel better to think that by all means do so. just realize that some fans know what really happened.

now if he had gone out there and helped the o score an upset that may have different.  he scored no points. we scored 3 points on a field goal.  not like we went out there and scored 68 points with him as qb.

your assertion is as silly as is the current list of players playing out of position as you claim.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket Can you point me to a single player on our O-Line who weighs 225?  Out of the 17 Offensive Linemen on our roster in 2013, only 4 weighed less than 290.  (263, 270, 272 & 280)  Seven weighed between 290-300 (295, 290, 290, 295, 297, 298 & 292) and 6 weighed 300+ (315, 305, 355, 307, 300 & 308).  Our average O-Line weight was 296 lbs.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@SupersizeThatOrder-mutt 

There you go!

Doesn't it feel good to be honest?

Doesn't it feel good to let out your inner "Mike Banning"?

I agree with you here, Soupy-size, he plays like a track-guy that doesn't have that natural feel for playing FB, Mike Summers at WR is kinda the same way as Snoddy.

OTOH, if you look at Sammy Watkins from Clemson for example, he gets the ball and puts a foot in the ground and he's up to full speed in 1 or 2 steps, he hits the crease with a recklessness and a level of aggressiveness that Snoddy & Summers  do not play with.

2 of our fastest players play like "track-guys" trying to figure out what to do on a FB-field, whereas on other teams, their fast guys actually play fast.

It all goes back to recruiting, a HC that EVALUATES better than CPJ would have seen that on Snoddy's HS tape, OTOH is you look at UGA's recent Recruits with Track backgrounds, Marshall, Gurley,  and Scott-Wesley, all three of those guys play fast and their track speed translates to the way they play in games, under CPJ that hasn't happened with his hand-picked recruits.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@BigTimeTECHFan I don't think your conference has anything to do with how fast you are.  I am pretty sure he'd be exactly as fast in the SEC as he is in the ACC.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

I know what they're LISTED. But from a pretty good vantage point this season, on several occasions they didnt look it--- or VTs and BYUs Dlines must have been weighing in at over 350 on average by comparison.

I was disappointed at the OLine play this year. There were at least two 1st and goal series we clearly were afraid to run the ball between the tackles against UGAs defense---which wasn't all that good.

charlestonian77
charlestonian77

@MikeBanning your an idiot no matter how you look at it.  you whine cry and make up stuff to suit your agenda.

had snoddy played for somebody else you would have carped that your former boy friend cpj allowed another talented player to play for another team.

instead snoddy barely gets a sniff of the playing field so you carp about cpj even recruiting him at all.  as far as you are concerned  you would carp at either scenario no matter what.   hell hath no fury like a 'woman' scorned is there wienie?

the truth of the matter is snoddy has issues.  1. he does not take care of the ball. 2. he is not a good blocker. 3. he runs too much east and west and not enough north and south.,  4. he has no juke to his game. 

if you were a real gt fan you would read the blogs and know these things. you'd rather make stuff up to suit your agenda.

like cpj lying to vad.  your a real sack o s.

GTBob
GTBob

GT has never had a 5 star recruit in its history and according to MikeBanning it's all CPJs fault. Once he goes, the 5 star guys will be beating down our door.

GTfan2013
GTfan2013

@MikeBanning  Very nice that you've named three guys that would have never come to GT under any coach, Marshall, Gurley, & JSW.  Good job.  Georgia Tech will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have to do more with less talented athletes.  Recently, however, we haven't done quite as well as we should have.  Hopefully we can improve or GT will be looking for a new coach, just like you are hoping for WnE. 

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Jaded_Jacket That's why I gave you the averages on the BBack stats.  Other than the Clemson game, the BB averages were respectable (4.2-4.5) to great.  (4.9+)


As for pass protection, I agree the OL didn't do as well as they could have, but again, Vad wasn't a quick decision maker.  He often missed the reads on wide open men.  I would have to find different metrics to look at the pass protection, but the eye test says it needs improvement.  Thankfully, we only throw 12-15 times a game on average.

OldJacketFan
OldJacketFan

@Jaded_Jacket 

Tech gave up 13 sacks in 203 passing attempts, I can't locate any stats as to QB hurries(not sure it is an official stat). Defensively they had 34 sacks in 427 passing attempts. 

Jaded_Jacket
Jaded_Jacket

@AugustaJacket


I don't think the OL did a very good job  pass blocking.  I don't have any numbers, just a casual fan, but there was never a pocket for Lee to pass in. 


I wonder how many sacks or hurries / attempt our offensive line allowed.  That would be an interesting stat (or depressing).


The average yards  of the bback is important.  We run the dive a lot so the total yards may be a little misleading. 

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Jaded_Jacket Here's the breakdown:  Our best game from the BB position in terms of yardage was UVA with 240 yds.  (8.6 avg) Our worst game was Clemson, 31 yds at 2.8 yds/att.  Elon was  160 yds/7.0, Bama A&M was 195/8.9 and Syracuse was 140/4.5.  Pitt was 127/4.9. Miami was 144/6.0.  uga was 112 4.3.  Duke 124/5.9.  BYU 112/7.0.  UNC 117/4.9.  VT 80/4.2.  Ole Miss 65/4.3.


First off, if you add these numbers you will see I made a mistake in my math initially.  GT had 1647 yds from the BB position, not 1735.  They averaged 5.8 yds per carry as a BB.


Secondly, if you look at the average per carry, you will see that Clemson was the only team that truly stuffed the FB Dive.  Our averages were above 4.3 yds per carry from the BB in every other game. 


That is a function of the option offense.  If you see that a team is committing to the dive, you run it outside, or pass.  


Again, the predominant issue this year was decision making by the QB, not the OL.  o, the OL wasn't perfect, and in the VT game they looked awful, but generally speaking, they did their job.

Jaded_Jacket
Jaded_Jacket

@D-Sheets


I'm not.  Those were our big wins and big offensive outputs.  My point--the offensive line struggled this year and those three games may have skewed the output from the B-back position. 


IMO, Syracuse was one of our best wins over a quality opponent.

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@Jaded_Jacket@AugustaJacket

"I wonder how much of that 1735 yards and 22 TDS came in the Elon, A ST, and Syracuse."

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Jaded,

Don't lump Syracuse in with FCS teams b/c of the score.  The Orange did something GT didn't this season...Won a bowl game.  56-0 over a D-1 bowl team ain't too shabby, IMO. 

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@Birminham__Jacket

"There were at least two 1st and goal series we clearly were afraid to run the ball between the tackles against UGAs defense"

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by "we" did you mean Vad Lee?  

Jaded_Jacket
Jaded_Jacket

@AugustaJacket

Wow!  I seem to remember on several occasions Lee getting met by a defensive lineman before he could pitch or keep the ball.  And pass blocking was atrocious. 


I wonder how much of that 1735 yards and 22 TDS came in the Elon, A ST, and Syracuse.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

The dive got stuffed all year long and the offensive line got whipped because of size issues and athletic discrepancies by any team we played that was decent. Your stats include powder puff teams that we shouldn't be playing to begin with. QB play didn't help either, but I would argue he was running for his life the whole season because the OLine couldn't block.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket 

The B-Back position had 298 for 1735 yards and 22 TD's.


That's a 5.8 yard per carry average.


The dive wasn't stuffed except in the VT game, when the entire running game fell apart.  The issue this year has less to do with the line and more to do with decision making by the QB.  

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

If size isn't an issue, that falls on Johnson then. Technique flaws are coaching. Our dives were stuffed way too many times this season. And pass protection was abysmal.

It's the option system. Not good.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket 

I'll grant you the listings aren't always 100% accurate, but show me ANY OL on our team that's closer to 225 than 300.  The one at 263 is mathematically right in the center, and as a Rs-FR, he'll probably put on more weight before it's over.


Our O-Lines size is not an issue.  Their play can stand improvement, however.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@GTBob 

According to Rivals, all those guys I mentioned were either 4* (Gurley & Marshall) or 3* (Conley & J-SW), many GT fans assume that Gurley & Marshall were 5* players because they played so well as T-Fr., but they were indeed 4* recruits.

Once again GTBob you are very wrong!

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@GTBob Answer me this, MB.  How come no GT coach has ever been able to get those guys consistently?  Even O'Leary was trending down when he left.


Keep trying.  You might figure it out someday.

GTBob
GTBob

Yet you always make posts like the one above about how we miss out on guys like Watkins, Gurley, Marshall, Scott-Wesley, etc. you point out the superstar 5 star guys and use them as examples for CPJs poor recruiting. If you don't expect GT to get 5 star guys then quit using them in your arguments. None of those guys would ever come to GT no matter who the coach is.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@GTBob 

Right on cue you KEEP TELLING LIES!

All I ask for is MORE high-3* and low-4* recruits, that right there will improve GT's roster exponentially vs, the guys that Pajamas has been bringing in.

I have never asked for GT to recruit 5* players, nor have I expected GT to sign more 5* players.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@forexbomb @MikeBanning @AugustaJacket 


Then explain why CPJ gets better results than every prior GT coach except GOL with, as you claim, far inferior talent? 


The offense is an equalizer.  It doesn't require loads of talent to run it.  Prior to this year our offense was never the problem.  It should be fine again soon, and with the improving defense, we should see better results.

forexbomb
forexbomb

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket 


Anybody that knows anything about football, knows that our offense is NO equalizer...  I mean, that dog just wont hunt anymore...  Please make some other excuse...  Thanks.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @MikeBanning 

You might want to check you calendar!

CPJ is the one that made the offers to the 4 guys l listed above, he has been here  for 6 seasons going into his 7th.

How could we "lose that guys" that are True-Jrs. and and a Sr. (Conley) BEFORE CPJ came here?

If his gimmicky Tripe-OPtion is "an equalizer", then explain the 2-18 record vs. the Big-4+ Bowl Games since 2010?

Explain the 25 losses in 4 years?

Explain the below .500 record vs. D1-A competition since 2010?

Please explain to all GT fans what the heck is CPJ's offensive system equalizing?

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket 

Those 4 guys I listed above were Academic qualifiers for GT as FB recruits.

Like I have said many times we are not losing good FB recruits due to academics, we are losing them we are not desirable as a "FB-destination", AND because of CPJ's poor recruiting and because of his gimmicky Triple-OPtion offense.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning Just because someone is offered doesn't mean they would realistically come to GT.  We offer them because not offering them is stupid.


Aren't you the one always harping about how our athletes offers from other schools weren't really offers?


Try and stay consistent with your arguments.


Also, note how Super critiqued a player without trashing him. You should learn that concept.  

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@GTfan2013 @MikeBanning 

Actually GT and CPJ offered ALL THREE of those guys.

Funny story about J-SW when GT & Pajamas was trying to recruit him. CPJ went into this big spiel about how he wanted J-SW to play A-back, and was telling how he could run the ball as a RB and catch passes also.

J-SW was interviewed by the AJC at later date said the reason he eliminated GT was that he didn't know what the heck an A-back was but he did know what a Flanker is, so he figured he'd fit in with UGA's offense a lot better.

J-SW might have gotten popped for weed, but he's not an idiot when it comes to FB, BTW ,before his injury he had turned out to be a pretty good FLANKER in the SEC.

Once again GT loses more recruits BECAUSE of CPJ and his gimmicky system than we do because of Academic reasons.

The academic qualifiers are out there, Marshall, Gurley, J-SW and, Chris Conley on the Offensive side of that ball for UGA were all highly desired by CPJ.