Posted: 4:31 pm Thursday, January 23rd, 2014

6 observations from the ACC schedule 

By Ken Sugiura

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Georgia Tech will clash with Clemson on Nov. 15.

What can we learn from the ACC schedule? At least six things.

1. Georgia Tech will be only one of two ACC teams to play all of its games on Saturday, as 12 of the 14 teams will take part in one or more of ESPN’s weeknight games – one on Labor Day, five on Thursday and three on Friday. N.C. State, which went winless in ACC play for the first time since 1959, was the other. Senior associate athletic director Ryan Bamford said that he was told that Tech was a candidate for a road game – the school requested to not be assigned a Thursday night home game this year – but that it didn’t work out.

Last year, 10 ACC teams were part of the ESPN weeknight package.

The Friday night games are a part of ESPN’s ACC package, but Tech is committed to not hosting one out of respect for the state’s high school games played on Friday nights. It would be open to playing in one on the road, which would be different.

2. By my count, three teams will play two teams that will have an extra week’s rest – Florida State (Miami and Boston College), Syracuse (Wake Forest and N.C. State) and Duke (Virginia Tech and Miami). This doesn’t include teams playing games where both teams have an open date prior to playing.

3. Syracuse has some of the same scheduling gripes that Tech did last year. It is the only team with an open date in the second week (as Tech did last year) and also has the two teams coming off open dates when they play the Orange. Plus their open dates are 10 weeks apart – the longest stretch of any team.

As was the case with Tech last year, the second week open date was logistically unavoidable. Eleven of the 14 teams had nonconference games scheduled for Sept. 6, and the ACC matched up Boston College and Pitt that week, leaving Syracuse with no choice but to take an open date.

4. N.C. State might also like a word with the ACC. The Wolfpack will get Florida State and Clemson back to back to open their ACC schedule.

5. As was the case last year with the Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech game, the Duke-UNC game will be played on five days’ rest for both teams, both after division games (Virginia Tech and Pittsburgh, respectively). Not the ideal for playing a rivalry game.

6. In the Coastal Division, I’d say Virginia Tech made out best with its crossover games. The Hokies play Boston College (its permanent partner) and Wake Forest, who were a combined 11-14 last year and both return 10 starters, fewest in the ACC. The crossover loser is probably Virginia, which gets Florida State and Louisville, which will replace Maryland as its permanent crossover partner. Quite an upgrade for the Cavaliers.

101 comments
Greentow
Greentow

There's nothing wrong with having different opinions within the GT community, you know.  Anyway, I just love it when you GT guys go after those lame-brained mutt people rather than each other.

POAD2013
POAD2013

WTF.............Tech Tulane game is BACK ON.

Robert30
Robert30

I was looking forward to the trip to New Orleans. Why couldn't the game have been played in the Superdome? Too many good series are getting canceled, Bama, Tulane, and next maybe Ole Miss, to play weak FCS teams no one wants to see. The hurts home game attendance too.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

Why are we scheduling Tulane, anyway?  No one wants to watch that!

POAD2013
POAD2013

Maybe now TECH can add another HOME game

BleedingGold
BleedingGold

So Tulane can't just come to Bobby Dodd........

POAD2013
POAD2013

The TULANE stadium will not be ready in time for the game and no suitable date to move game could be found.

POAD2013
POAD2013

KEN.............why don't your post have the NEW COMMENT counter at the bottom on the right? It really helps to find new comments.

POAD2013
POAD2013

Georgia Tech's football series with Tulane has been cancelled, including the 2014 game in New Orleans on September 6. A search for a replacement game is underway. More details: http://bit.ly/KWrTFU

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

Apparently the Tulane game just got cancelled.   

AD4
AD4

Prof Tom DiChristina is the biggest cheater of them all at Georgia Tech. He must be teaching the Tech football team how cheating gets done!!!

TideDawg
TideDawg

With FSU now in power and the addition of some other stronger programs, I only see GT falling further down the scale of respected teams in the ACC. Going 7-5, or 8-4  is what Duke fans and alumni would have relished for many years when they were 2-10 or 3-9 at best. I remember the great years for GT......what happened??


You also have to wonder if coaching turned Duke around or was it luck? I believe it was coaching.

TideDawg
TideDawg

collegeballfan.....if PJ winning 6  out of 10 games makes PJ the most successful(sad) what other FBS football university would hire him based on those statistics? Your loyalty to PJ is commendable....are you related to PJ? I think GT is the new "Duke" of the ACC.

juvenal
juvenal

2 words-Caleb King-if we take kids like that, B_J & Okie may be happy(the latter because evil loves company, the former, i suppose, because everyone in our current society should sell out to achieve $ucce$$ in $port$), but i will support pro teams, but World football, where, in spite of lots of moolah, a modicum of good sportsmanship can still be found, the penalties for not playing with RESPECT have real teeth.....major universities are not the place to teach basic literacy......

juvenal
juvenal

Ken, last years schedule greatly vilified by the followers, must give this year's schedule as much better recieved since very few of the posters even mention it.....

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

The "cheating" and severe penalties that followed are complete bs and everyone knows it. Multiple objective reporters gave opinions stating such.

OkieDawg is correct about the small nationally weak signing classes, TO and general lack of fan support for such. If I'm a Jacket (and I am), don't get mad at those who point out obvious flaws in our program. We should be upset with our program. It is not as competitive as it could be.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@Birminham__Jacket     Ask DRad or Gailey......the series was scheduled in 2007 when they were both at Tech.

BleedingGold
BleedingGold

@POAD2013 Most likely.  I'm really hoping it's not an FCS school.  Back to back FCS games to open up the season is not the least bit exciting.

BleedingGold
BleedingGold

Never mind.  Tulane would only have 5 home games if that were to happen.

Robert30
Robert30

The game could have been played at the Superdome. That has been Tulane's home field in the past. I bet Tech didn't try to hard to work something out so they could schedule another home game with a weak FCS team. Who will be available at this late time?

GTBob
GTBob

@TideDawg It was certainly coaching but not just X's and O's. Cutcliffe made a significant effort to raise funding for facilities and recruiting. The best thing he ever did was instill a different attitude in the program in general. The only problem with that though is that Duke probably still isn't going to be a winning team over the next 10 years. Its one thing to turn a terrible team into a decent team. Its another thing to try and turn a decent team into a great team which is the challenge at GT. 


I would love to see someone come in and light a fire under the whole institute and create a real push towards improving athletics at Tech. Unfortunately, the odds of that happening are very slim. The higher ups at GT wouldn't hardly blink if the football team was disbanded completely. Trying to get them on board with a massive improvement effort would take skills of persuasion far beyond what almost any coach could perform.

BleedingGold
BleedingGold

@TideDawg  During the 8 years before Cutcliffe arrived at Duke, they won 11 games total with the most being 4 in a season.  The least amount of games CPJ has won in his 6 seasons is 6 games which happened once.  Now please explain to me how that qualifies GT as the new "Duke."


I understand you probably have a weird, obsessive hatred for GT, but please refrain from acting like a complete moron.  Thanks.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@TideDawg  why would we even consider what other school might hire one of Tech's coaches (Johnson or anybody else).  No school hires a coach because of where he might go next; they hire him because they hope he will succeed and stay there.  We lost Curry (no big loss there), Ross, and O'Leary because they wanted to go somewhere else.  The idea is to have a coach who will stay and build the program.  Can Johnson do that?  Well, he's got 2 more years to prove it one way or another, but if he does, I sure don't want him to then leave for greener pastures.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@TideDawg and you probably think Stanford is now an Elite team too. Duke is still DUKE and Cutcliffe would maybe take another job if the right one came around. Duke will not be winning the Coastal on any regular basis. 

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@collegeballfan Johnson is 23-25 in the last 4 years against BCS opponents.  Tech uses FCS opponents to shore up Johnson's won-loss record.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@juvenal 

Weak @$$ excuse!

The yr. King came out of HS he was among the top-2 RB from Ga. HSs, the other one was Dwyer, which we got because UGA chose incorrectly and went with Caleb King.

If UGA recruits a Caleb king, then GT needs to respond by recruiting a Dwyer or a Keith Marshall, or whatever RB from that year's class has the academics to get into GT AS A FB RECRUIT.

Too many d-bag GT fans focus on who WE CANNOT RECRUIT to GT ,rather than focusing on who we can recruit to GT.

In this year's recruiting class, we lost both Adam Choice (RB) (related to a former GT player) and Nick Chubb(RB), and the reason we lost those guys had nothing to do with poor academics on their part.

Too many GT fans over play the effect of academics on GT 's recruiting.

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@juvenal At least Caleb King was never associated with a 100 pound pot bust.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket You do realize the small class sizes are because we don't oversign and cut players, right...


Also, we don't generally lose 2-3 players a year due to legal/behavior problems.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birminham__Jacket Here is a small selection of schools and the number of recruits they have had in the last 5 years:


Tenn: 126

Bama: 123

FSU: 122

Auburn: 121

Florida: 120

UGA: 114

....

Stanford: 93

GT: 90

Northwestern:89


Do you notice a weird drop off when it comes to the more academically minded schools? How can Tennessee recruit 36 more players over a 5 year period than GT? How did they recruit 33 more than Stanford? That is your brain teaser for the day.


GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Birminham__Jacket I actually agree with this 100%, except that Okie's point about finding 25 kids is unfair.   We find enough to stay at or near 85.  Other than that, though, you're exactly right.   Our fans are generally horrible, and they complain incessantly even though they don't attend games.   The competitiveness of the program is actually pretty impressive considering what we put into it.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@BleedingGold.........There is no reason I can understand why they didn't just come to Atlanta this year and we go there next year.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@BleedingGold   SInce they apparently don't have anyplace else to play, I imagine they might have agreed to that, but with the 2015 game already scheduled in Atlanta, they would probably have wanted us to go there in 2015 instead, which would have left us with only 5 home games, with ND and FSU already away games.  Since this one was already going to be an away game anyway, I imagine our chances of getting a non-FCS opponent are probably a little better.  It's probably easier to talk another school into having us come there rather than them coming here.  But we still have 2015-2017 to worry about too.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

That's why you hire coaches like OLeary who work around the problem of nerds in charge. You may or may not take your licks every few years but it's worth it if you beat UGA two or three times and actually have a decent team.

GTBob
GTBob

@TheOldGuy Actually he is 21-21 against BCS opponents in the last 4 years. 19-14 against conference opponents. Take away UGA which is a pointless game that we will rarely ever win and he is 21-17 against BCS opponents.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeBanning @juvenal Nobody overplays anything. If we mention that academics at GT somewhat hamper recruiting then you and the other UGA fans get all upset about it and pretend that we are saying academics are the only reason. Nobody has ever said that or alluded to that. Academics play a larger part at GT then they do at other schools. I know that hurts your feelings but its true. It isn't the only reason we recruit poorly but it is certainly part of it.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket 

CPJ makes a LOT of mistakes recruiting-wise and then allows those DEAD-WEIGHT recruits to hang around for far to long.

I used to be against "cutting players", but there are so many guys hanging around GT's FB program that are not working hard enough to "hold up their end of the bargain FB-wise".

DEAD-WEIGHT recruits are a drag on your program and need to be "managed better" by CPJ, against UGA we couldn't even rotate in players for our gassed DL that caused us to lose the game, not only did it cause us to lose the game but it also made their team mates more likely to get injured because when you play tired you are more likely to get injured.

GT needs to get a real BCS level HC in here that is going to make the scholly players EARN THEIR KEEP for every second they are on scholly at GT.

We have a lot of FB players on scholly that just aren't working hard enough at being great FB players.

Time to run some of them off, that scholly is a trade of FB talent for tution, room, and board, if they don't show FB talent ,then we need to help them find a place other than GT for them to finish their degrees.

The time has come for GT FB to get rid of the dead-weight recruits that are not producing at a high enough level.

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@GTBob@Birminham__Jacket And yet Stanford has an outstanding athletics program . Tech not so much. Blame it on academics if you like but the real reason Tech loses so much is that the athletic department and the coaches are not very good.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@GTBob @Birminham__Jacket 

When will you stop telling LIES on GOL, the GTAA had an admin. issue that affected the academic eligibility of many different sports.

GOL did nothing wrong that cost the FB program academic exceptions, this is yet another urban myth that has taken on a life unto itself.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birminham__Jacket O'Leary is partially the reason that Tech gets no more than 3 academic exceptions every year. I wouldn't call that working around the problem. He actually made it worse. O'Leary had a bad relationship with the Hill and the President and his shadiness with academic matters wasn't taken too kindly. The guy wouldn't have a chance if he coached here now. 

Twisterfire
Twisterfire

@TheOldGuy you should change your username to "TheStupidOldGuy". 10 points is only a 2 score game moron. I know you are a mentally retarded DAWG fan but at least do some research before you post.

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@GTBob@TheOldGuy Its the same thing. An FBS team can play in the BCS if their record is good enough and the chips fall right.


Ask Boise State.They have played in a BCS game. Of course, Tech hasn't.

GTBob
GTBob

@TheOldGuy @GTBob Im starting to realize that you don't know the difference between a BCS opponent and an FBS opponent.

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@GTBob@TheOldGuy You left out the bowl games.  Go back and count.


In the last 4 years Tech has played in 53 games. Tech has not played 11 FCS opponents in the past 4 years.  Although it seems like it.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@PaulinNH @MikeBanning 

If they are FOOTBALL schollies, shouldn't they have to show some level of FB talent and aptitude to keep the scholly?

I feel that after a player has 3 yrs. and 2 summer school sessions under his belt if that player(s) is buried at the 3rd string and below, then you have got to move that player "along" or else you will end up with what we saw in the UGA game, a situation where we could not sub for our gassed DLine and put them at risk of INJURY because the dead-weight recruits behind them could not be TRUSTED to play a FEW SNAPS in the 12th game of the season.

Shouldn't a player WORTHY of keeping his FULL scholly be expected to play a FEW SNAPS in the  12th and 13th games of the season, games where  our DLine got gassed and couldn't hold on win the game.

Should honest, dedicated starters be put at RISK OF INJURY because their back-ups are so untalented that they cannot spell the starters for a few snaps and keep them rested and  hopefully in a position to avoid possible injury.

For this reason the schollys should be 2 yr. schollys for the first 2 years and then 1-yr. renewable after that.

2 years  and 2 summer school sessions is 75% of the way towards a degree with no student loans, that still is not a bad deal for a player that does not pan out, and that player can still transfer to Rice or Tulane or many other great academic schools and finish out their careers on scholly (still) and still graduate from a great school.

Guaranteeing 4-5 yr. scholly makes the players get a little too comfortable and lazy.

I used to think differently, I used to be 100% pro-player, but so many of the players are lazy partyiers, and drinkers and don;t appreciate what they have.

Incentive after 2 yrs . on scholly is a good thing.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@MikeBanning

"if they don't show FB talent ,then we need to help them find a place other than GT for them to finish their degrees"

That attitude is the reason why scholarships should be for 4 - 5 years.  SA's should not be run off because they aren't good enough - as long as they keep their grades up and work hard for the team.

GTBob
GTBob

@TheOldGuy So in the last 50 years we have just had terrible coaches and a terrible athletic department. Got it.