Posted: 10:47 am Monday, February 10th, 2014

Who offered Tech signees the most scholarships? 

By Ken Sugiura

Georgia Tech’s signees had a lot of choices. Most often, it appears, Marshall was one of the options. Marshall offered nine Yellow Jackets signees, according to 247 Sports, the most of any team. Marshall was followed by Georgia State with seven and Appalachian State, Middle Tennessee State and South Carolina with six.

Marshall was something of a surprise, given that Marshall is three states away (four if you count South Carolina). You wouldn’t think there’d be so much fishing from the same pond. Marshall only has seven Georgia players on its roster. Of the nine Tech signees that Marshall offered, seven are from either Lamar County (DBs Lance and Lawrence Austin and WR/DB Qua Searcy) or Florida (OL Gary Brown, DB Step Durham, LB Terrell Lewis, OL Jake Stickler). The other two were DE Kenderius Whitehead (Georgia Military College) and C Jake Whitley (South Carolina).

Marshall recruits plenty in Florida, as does Tech. There were at least a few Marshall signees who chose the Thundering Herd over Tech.

Appalachian State, Georgia State and Middle Tennessee State all were often competitors for whom Tech was the top choice, conference-wise. To wit, from what I could see in a quick look, no Georgia State signees picked the school over an offer from Tech. I didn’t expect South Carolina. From a cursory look at South Carolina’s signees, coach Paul Johnson and his staff more than held their own against coach Steve Spurrier and his assistants.

All other schools offering three or more Tech signees are below.

A caveat emptor disclosure: I’m not sure I’d call so-called offer sheets on sites like 247 or Rivals infallible. Typically, they’re going on information from the prospect or his coach, and understandably there can be a temptation to exaggerate. The lists can often vary slightly from site to site.

On the other side, coaches can play the “I’ll offer you a scholarship if you’re going to accept it” so it can’t be said that a prospect picked a competing school over their school, which will also skew the lists.

There’s more to dig, like how Tech fared against other ACC schools and the other schools who offered Tech signees most frequently and who the Jackets lost most often to (my guess: Georgia). If I have time, which I’m not sure I will,

9

Marshall

7

Georgia State

6

Appalachian State, Middle Tennessee State, South Carolina

5

Nebraska, South Florida

4

Furman, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, South Alabama, Syracuse, Vanderbilt

3

Central Florida, Cincinnati, Clemson, Connecticut, Duke, Indiana, Iowa State, Maryland, Memphis, Miami (Fla.), Michigan State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Wake Forest, West Virginia, Western Kentucky.

244 comments
R2-Bee2
R2-Bee2

How many schools offered Robert Godhigh a scholarship??? I would take 10 or 15 like him that have the drive and passion to excel.

Sheldon-Cooper
Sheldon-Cooper

I can't help but be reminded of Al from Dadeville

ThomasBrownUGA
ThomasBrownUGA

Who offered Tech signees the most scholarships? 


No one significant.



How's that for an answer ?

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

Mark Richt is a heck of a coach.  Folks are too quick to point out how he as "underachieved" with all that talent, and completely disregard how competitive it is to actually GET THE TALENT he does.  Not only that.  But the guy is charmed.  He pulls away the defensive coordinator from a football factory that just won the NC, for crying out loud!!!  UGA had a very unfortunate string of injuries last season.  And they've had some bone-head DCs.

Paul Johnson isn't terrible.  But he's not as good as Richt.  He got outcoached bad against UGA this year.  And he (literally) has been unable to assemble an offensive line that capable of lining up and getting the snap count correct.  And when they do, they get absolutely dominated by any decent competition.  But I think if you give PJ Stanfords OL, his offense works well.

gt-40
gt-40

@MikeBanning


I did take the time to look at your link, and it actually looks like most people took up for CPJ in the comments I read...................

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@R2-Bee2  

If we had 10-15 just like him we'd be Wake Forest.

We were a  much better team with a Dwyer at B-Back and Allen at one A-Back and Roddy at the other A-Back.

2 out of 3 got DRAFTED and all 3 made opposing defenses pay special attention to them.

Godhigh is a "cute story", but no way do you want 10-15 of them on the same team at the same time.

Sometimes I wonder do GT certain GT fans want to beat UGA ever again?

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@AugustaJacket  

Georgia fans would act just as badly if some prize recruit of their's flipped at the last minute to Tech.  I remember how they acted when Dewberry left Georgia and transferred to Tech.  Of course, that was before the days of the internet, but the hatred in Athens for him was unbelievable.  He showed them though by being the only Tech QB in history to lead an unranked Tech team to victory over a ranked Georgia team---and he did it twice.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birminham__Jacket  Im not really sure how you can say CPJ was outcoached when he managed to take the game into double overtime with a team with drastically less talent.

BigCrimson75
BigCrimson75

Bham.....Their injuries didn't cost them anything.

Full strength against Clemson...How'd that turn out?

Can't squall about the Mizzu loss.....Mizzu's QB missed half that game!!

Full strength against the Barn.

2013 was another typical year for UGA. Great expectations to start the year......losing to Nebraska in the "Tax-Slayer" Bowl to end it. :(

BigCrimson75
BigCrimson75

"Give him Stanford's O-Line"!!

Bham.....How bout Paul Johnson actually go out & recruit then train his own O-Line?

"Nothing is given to ya, you gotta go out & earn it!!"

-Jack Nicholson as Frank Costello.....The Departed.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket  There were two games where GT's OL underperformed and had issues with the snap count.  If you want to judge a season off of two games then one can say almost anything.


As for CMR, he is a decent coach and a decent recruiter.  uga has long been able to land top recruits, no matter the coach.  There is no question, however, that he has underperformed in regards to the talent on his team....

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

UGA fans are the worst. 

Don't mean to be mean, but I can't wait until the same inevitable cycle of fate happens to them that happened to Tennessee, Florida and even to Alabama prior to Saban, where they go into the tank for about 7-8 long years.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@GTBob @Birminham__Jacket  but  Gt was vastly more  experienced. Just  specualting  but If  Murray had played I doubt  Gt would've  built a  20 point  lead. Georgias  defense  gave up yards and points  to everyone they played in the  1st half. Took Grantham at least a  quarter to get a  clue.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@BigCrimson75 Not  quite, Georgia  played the Mizzou game  without, Gurley, Marshall,Bennett, Wesley, Mitchell. Thats list plus the 3rd team rb Truman that was injured in pre season and Rumph who was out until the  Fla. game . Mizzou did just  fine  with Mauk playing  Qb for several games. Georgia  wasn't  close to being the  same  team as they were in September.Any team in the nation would have problems losing that many key players and their back ups.They were never  close  to full strength after  September. How  you think Bama  would've fared  against LSU  with Yeldon, Drake and  whoever  was their 3rd  team RB. Amare Cooper  and  4  other  top wrs?

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

His getting FSUs defensive coordinator is mind boggling! 

As for our OL, we can continue to disagree.  I see them as the major limiting factor of our offense. If you want a measure, go back and look our play calls between the 10 yard line and goal line last year.  We hardly ever run between the tackles and guards.  It's smoke, mirrors and misdirection.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket  If you added those two majors and Sports Management, I think you could see a major change in the types of athletes we could get.  I have always said it's not the academic rigor inhibiting recruiting nearly as much as a lack of diversity of majors.  Just adding those three would be a huge boost.


It also makes no sense that we have no true communications major with CNN and all the Turner stations right down the road.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @MikeBanning @Birminham__Jacket  

My personal preference is communications and sociology.

those 2 majors would draw more females and give the campus a more balanced feel, also it would serve the surrounding  region because of all the failures at the State DFACS and with the large media presence in the Atl . Area.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket  I am serious when I say I would like to see those majors at GT.  I don't think having 3-4 easier majors for athletes is going to drag down the academic profile of the school.  I can easily see the value in a high caliber athlete majoring in PE/Health or Sports Management as their future could very well lead to opportunities to put them to good use.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @MikeBanning @Birminham__Jacket  

Compare that what the players were like under CVD.

Also a lot of FB players want to coach HS FB or want to work in the Education field.

Not one GT fan poked fun at JAYBO Shaw when he left GT to go to Ga. Sou. for the same reasons and for a similar major.

Had CVD had to recruit to a UGA that was bolstered academically by the hope scholly, then he would have been a 6-win HC.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @Birminham__Jacket  Miraculously UGA has found a way to raise the overall academic profile of the school while increasing graduation rates for FB players along the way and improving the avg. yearly wins for the FB program from 8 wins per yr. under CVD to 9+ wins per year under CMR.

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I went through the uga official roster recently and perused the upper-classmen's majors.  They are wearing the sports management and PE/Health majors out.  I wonder if we could get those two degrees with the exact same class requirements for our football players?  

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@Birminham__Jacket  

Are they really the worst?

OR

Do GT fans make it easy for us to throw more hate their way because we at GT do such a poor job of putting a decent FB program on the field.

Bama, Aubie, LSU, USC-jr, not to mention Tenn and places like that are much worse than the "khakis & button-down" crowd that roots for UGA.

As much as we GT fans like to criticize UGA fans for being beneath us, but in a lot of cases we end up living right next to UGA fans all the time.

Maybe if we beat UGA more often and do our JOB to make it a rivalry, then we wouldn't "hate" UGA so much.

Honestly, I have no reason to HATE UGA as long as CMR is the HC.

I can remember UGA when they were a really "dirty" program under CVD and were recruiting the likes of "PulpWood" Smith  and other guys that didn't belong in any college.

You also have to give UGA credit for instituting internal changes on their own  without any major NCAA sanctions.

Miraculously UGA has found a way to raise the overall academic profile of the school while increasing graduation rates for FB players along the way and improving the avg. yearly wins for the FB program from 8 wins per yr. under CVD to 9+ wins per year under CMR.

Most schools that have undergone the "culture change" that UGA has would have dipped down to a 6-win program, but under CMR they have not done that and instead elevated UGA FB to a fairly consistent Top-10 CFB program.

Yes, they don't have the highs of an LSU, or a Bama, but they also don't do the same dirty things behind the scenes that those programs do.

I'm pretty sure that most GT fans wish like heck we could have  CMR as GT 's HC, a guy that is great with the media and is very good (not necessarily great) at all phases of being a BCS level HC.

GTBob
GTBob

I think Richt will be able to stay at UGA as long as he wants assuming they don't fall off a cliff. UGA won't fire him trying to find a coach that can win championships, they don't have the stones for it and no one else is going to try to hire him away from UGA. He will be there for a long time.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket  You realize he didn't build that FSU D, right?  He was only at FSU for 1 very fortunate year.  Mark Stoops built that D and then git hired by UK.   8 years ago, Pruitt was coaching HS ball.  He may turn out to be a great DC, but there's hardly enough history to judge for certain just yet. 

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

15 years? Think he's going to be another Mack Brown or Bowden? Could be. But that's a long time.

Pruitt could get him his NC. UGA has had several teams under him that had NC caliber offenses and defenses. Just never at the same time.

I think if he stays there that long they will get at least 1.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birminham__Jacket  It probably won't happen with Richt there and I doubt Richt leaves for 15 more years. Richt isn't good enough to make UGA a great team but he isn't bad enough to let them tank either.

gt-40
gt-40

@MikeBanning @SupersizeThatOrder-mutt@AugustaJacket

I have never seen a "Tech man" come to the aid of jawja more than you MB, trust me if you dig deep and look into the nuts  and bolts of the jawja football/work release program you would cut your school a lot more slack...

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@MikeBanning @SupersizeThatOrder-mutt@AugustaJacket 

I don't like the bashing either, but there's a big difference between bashing and sending actual threats to someone. which is what some Auburn fans are apparently doing.  But you should know about bashing, since you do it all the time.....plus stalking recruits on Twitter.

As AJ always says....Keep Trolling

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

@AugustaJacket @SupersizeThatOrder-mutt  

The reaction by Georgia fans towards another transfer (Tyrone Sorrells) was equally vitriolic, but he particularly angered the mutts with the following ---

"Tight end Tyrone Sorrells, cited the following reasons for his own transfer to Tech in a 1984 AP article:

...[Sorrells] later complained Georgia overlooked players' academic progress for the sake of football and said he disliked living with the football team apart from the rest of the university...

The gritty details came out when a NCAA probe hit Georgia's basketball program in 1984. Sorrells was questioned by the NCAA about recruiting, improper benefits, and academics. His main shot across Georgia's stern related to the less-than-stringent academics bestowed upon Georgia athletes.

Sorrells said the academic program which Georgia officials placed him was an "insult to my intelligence."..."I feel like I was very honest with the guy from the NCAA," he said. "I told him my bad points. I told him I wasn't a super student but I was willing to do the work...but I wasn't given the chance to do anything at Georgia. I was put at a level below my intelligence. My grades weren't bad at Georgia, but my classes were."  
Hmm, I wonder if any of that has changed over the years.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@SupersizeThatOrder-mutt @AugustaJacket  

Since you are in the mood to call the kettle black, why not print out some of the comments that GT fans from the GT message boards directed towards Tuitt's Mom after she laid down the law about him going to ND and then said his Recruiting was closed.

A lot of the snide comments by GT fans on those message boards is not much better than what you criticize from UGA fans.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@GTBob @Ghost13  Bob  PJ offers  the  same players  as  everyone else. IMHO Pjs  biggest problem is player  development. His recruits aren't making all conference  teams  like the  previous 2  regimes  were.

GTBob
GTBob

@Ghost13 @GTBob  It will cost you games against teams like Auburn. Not teams like GT who would kill for 90% of those inexperienced freshmen to be on their team.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@GTBob @Ghost13  I don't  disagree with that totally, but  when you have to play so many freshmen becauee of injuries it  will cost you a game or  3.

GTBob
GTBob

@Ghost13 The vast majority of UGA's team is on a different level than GT's players and believe me, Sims blocking experience wasn't any benefit in the UGA game or any other game. Talent will almost always trump experience.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@GTBob @Ghost13  No , Sims and  even a 80% Gurley are on completely different levels, But  the  senior  Sims  experience evens out the  talent of  a  Green or Douglas. Or perhaps a person he  was  blocking like freshman LB Leonard Floyd . 

GTBob
GTBob

@Ghost13 Do you think having the vastly more experienced David Sims at running back gave us the advantage on the much less experienced Todd Gurley? GT is almost always more experienced than UGA. There is a reason we rarely ever beat them though.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeBanning @GTBob  Nope, in one of those cases you lose in double overtime. In the other you lose by 4 touchdowns. If you are vastly outmatched talent wise then an early 20 point lead really isn't that much. Here is another example. Auburn was up by 18 points early against FSU. FSU came back and won the game in regulation. I didn't hear anyone say that Fisher vastly outcoached Malzahn because he didn't. His team was just a lot better than Auburn.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@GTBob @MikeBanning  

To go from UP 20-0  AT  HOME to losing the game 41-34 means that GT finished up the last HALF of the game:

losing to UGA  41-14

Basically a 4 TD loss!

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeBanning Yep, he had a good gameplan to jump out to an early lead. Unfortunately, he didnt have the talent to actually hold it. If he were actually outcoached in the game we would have lost by 4 touchdowns. There was no magical gameplan by Richt once he fell behind. It was basically, keep doing what they always do and talent will eventually win out.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@AugustaJacket @Ghost13 @GeorgeStein @BigCrimson75  Only one  lost  was  Crowell, senior Ken Malcolm transferred before the  season, thinking he  wouldn't  get  carries  behind  Gurley and Marshall. Gurley never fully recovered  from the ankle injury . And you are also correct we had some  depth issues  due to a poor  2010 recruiting  class.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Ghost13 @GeorgeStein @AugustaJacket @BigCrimson75  Georgia  was  down to 4th and  5th team Rbs, safties  and  d backs.

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Who besides Marshall and Gurley were out at RB?


How many You had more than 6 safeties out for the year?  You lost more tha 6 CB's?  


I think you might be over-exaggerating a bit...

Ghost13
Ghost13

@GeorgeStein @Ghost13 @AugustaJacket @BigCrimson75 How far  down the  depth chart  do you expect him to go. Several freshmen that should have  red shirted were playing. the  back ups , back ups  were injured, not  a team in the  country that deep. Georgia  was  down to 4th and  5th team Rbs, safties  and  d backs. The  season could'have  tanked like  Florida, it  took Richt  and Bobo 2 games  to get the offense  back on track, then Murray gets hurt. .

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @MikeBanning @Ghost13 @BigCrimson75  

Holton has been called an urban MYTH on several of the GT message boards because he was talked about so much and never really played because he was always hurt, then he ended up leaving the Program.

Some GT fans  from the message boards jokingly questioned whether Holton ever existed.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @Ghost13 @BigCrimson75  

Holton  was an urban MYTH that had played in maybe 1 game for GT other than STs, we lost him so early the impact was minimal, we had lost IJ before the LAST bowl game, we had plenty of time for CPJ's recruiting to cover for that loss also.

We had LY, and JT that were Srs. and we had Noble that had been in the program for a long time 2+ years, and we also had White.

Our 2ndary losses were not huge, in fact the Safeties we did play with probably had much more raw foot speed than did Holton that had repeat Achilles issues,  and IJ that was slow BEFORE he tore his knee ligaments.

Ghost13
Ghost13

@AugustaJacket @Ghost13@BigCrimson75the  Quality of the players  Georgia lost was significantt. not much of a  drop off  between Smelter  and Autry.But  a  big  drop off  between Mitchell, Wesley  and Rhett  Mc Gowan. huge  drop off  between Keith Marshall and  Brendan Douglas  and JJ  Green .  I thought Huston played  a gutsy game  but  he's wasn't close to being  Murray, the  Georgia  defense  was  crippled  on the  field  and the  sideline.Georgia had  to play far too many freshmen after  September  to be  successful.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Ghost13 @BigCrimson75  I agree Ghost13, and yet GT gets no credit for playing 10 games with 3/4 of the starting secondary injured for the year.  Not to mention a starting WR and several OL that missed large portions of the year.  Injuries cut both ways.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birminham__Jacket  Yes, he would have. Vad Lee played with fear. That is a bad trait in any offense but almost cripples our offense. Nesbitt never played with fear. He never danced around in the backfield losing 4 yards when he could have easily gained one or two yards. He played tough as nails.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket  

"In CFB when the QB gets sacked they subtract that yardage from the Team's rushing yards, IIRC."

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You are absolutely correct.  o GT QB was sacked in the uga game, however, so no corrections to the rushing totals were necessary.


For a CFB expert, you sure are fairly ignorant.


#keeptrolling


GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Birminham__Jacket  I swear, the guy can't win with you.   If he's running, he needs to throw.   If he's throwing, he should be running.   WTF.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket  Your memory sucks, dude.


Here's the stats by quarter.


1st  12 att for 25 yds.  2.1 ypc.  

2nd 15 att for 85 yds.  5.7 ypc

3rd   8 att for 28 yds.  3.5 ypc

4th  12 att for 78 yds.  6.5 ypc.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

I remember.  I also remember having to settle for a FG in the 2nd qtr 1st and goal from the 6.  And I also remember that by the time the 4th qtr had rolled around and UGA was stuffing the run like Ole Miss did, Johnson decided to pass twice 2nd and goal from the UGA 5 (the second of which was for a TD).  Still... doesn't say a lot about your confidence in your run game.

The VT game and BYU games were just ridiculous.  And it's not as if those are NC teams.

Josh Nesbitt would not have fared much better than Vad Lee did last year behind that front 5.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket  Your attempts to defend GT FB from this past season are laughable!

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Not as laughable as your general lack of knowledge.  VL was 4-13 for 89 yards in the first half against BYU.  That's 13 pass attempts in the first half, not the game.  So GT put up over half of its 400 yds in the first half.  The smaller than average running totals were a function of more passing calls and not lack of success running, as anyone without an agenda can see.  At 6.6 YPC, they weren't stopping us.


#keeptrolling

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @MikeBanning @Birminham__Jacket  

For a team that cannot pass worth a lick, 126 rush yds. in the first half is p!ss-poor, especially when you aren't getting any passing yards.

Your attempts to defend GT FB from this past season are laughable!

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket  During the first half of the BYU game, GT ran for 126 yds on 19 attempts.  That's 6.6 yds per carry.  But sure, GT only poured it on in the 4th Qtr.  Through the first three Qtrs, GT had 158 yds rushing 33 carries for a 4.8 yds per carry mark.


Facts, you should stick to them.


#keeptrolling

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket  "I can't remember 1 single play inside the 5 yard line against UGA that PJ called between the C-G or G-T. "

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There were only three plays in the entire game from inside the uga 5 yard line.  All three were Vad Lee keepers up the middle between G-C.  Two resulted in TD's.


Just because you can't remember doesn't make it fact.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

UGA shut it down when it mattered too.  And their defense is about as lousy as ours.

I can't remember 1 single play inside the 5 yard line against UGA that PJ called between the C-G or G-T. 

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@AugustaJacket @Birminham__Jacket  

BYU shut GT down for 2 years in a row, and then after the game was over Pajamas did his "CPJ special" and scored meaningless points to make the game look like less of a blowout.

Also Ole' Miss shut our run game down when their 1st stringers went in the game!

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birminham__Jacket  Getting FSU's DC is not all that mindboggling.  It was a $300,000+ a year raise for Pruitt.  FSU can't pay what uga does.


Again, with the OL, VT was the ONLY team to shut down GT's running game last year.  The O-Line was more than capable of opening lanes.  The QB needed to make better reads.