Posted: 10:14 am Wednesday, May 28th, 2014

How Joe Hamilton became a Jacket 

By Ken Sugiura

Last Thursday, following the announcement naming him to the College Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2014, Joe Hamilton gave a lengthy interview to Matt Winkeljohn, who writes for Sting Daily, and me. Some of it went into the story that ran in Friday’s paper, but plenty more was left out. He said a few more things that I imagine you’ll find interesting that I’ll try to get up this week.

We’ll start with his recruitment to Tech. First off, the decision to play for Tech was no slam dunk, he said. You will remember that Hamilton was part of coach George O’Leary’s first recruiting class, on the heels of the 1-10 season in 1994. Other schools interested were Nebraska (which won the national championship that same year), Penn State and Clemson. He said that Penn State coach Joe Paterno recruited him “very, very hard.”

For a football nut from small town in South Carolina, having legends like Tom Osborne and Paterno visit his home was a huge deal, and he still has photos of them in his family’s living room. However, Hamilton saw himself as a quarterback and quarterback only. For instance, Hamilton said that Paterno told him he would give him a chance to play quarterback, but Hamilton got the feeling that that tryout might not last long past a few interceptions in preseason camp. Other schools recruited him as an “athlete,” recruiting vernacular for players who could play a variety of positions.

“I didn’t want to see them recruiting me as an athlete at all,” Hamilton said.

What helped sell him on Tech and O’Leary was his pitch that he was recruiting him as a quarterback, which obviously held true when Hamilton struggled in his first year as a starter as a redshirt freshman.

“Even when I made mistakes in practice, he never even wavered about changing anything,” Hamilton said. “Just the confidence he had in me, putting me out there week after week, honing my skills, I’m real grateful.”

Another detail of his recruitment – the assistant coach assigned to recruit Hamilton was running backs coach Danny Smith, who had been on Tech’s staff since 1987.

“I owe him a lot for getting me to Tech,” Hamilton said. “It wasn’t that I was going to Tech for Danny Smith, but he did a good job of selling what Tech had to offer. And the reason why I’m so grateful for him was because he didn’t tell an untruth – the contacts, the networking, the ability to play football ata  high level. That’s what I got, that’s been my experience here. I’m grateful to him for that, big time.”

Ironically, Smith was gone by the time Hamilton arrived, having taken a job coaching special teams with the Philadelphia Eagles after the 1994 season. He has been in the NFL since. Hamilton never saw him on Tech’s campus after enrolling. They did re-connect several years ago at a birthday party for Ralph Friedgen.

“We hugged,” Hamilton said. “He still means a lot to me.”

65 comments
Pounceman
Pounceman

Joe Hamilton would have never had a chance in your current regime.... Enjoy the CPJ era!!! lol....

alanwilliams
alanwilliams

I don't know how many people know that  Ralph Friedgen had alot to do with keeping Joe in school. RF put the pressure on Joe to go to class , and , as I heard, even followed him a few times, Good ole Ralph! He was a great offensive coach

Spitzensparx
Spitzensparx

The comment was made earlier that "

I can promise you, no one in my crowd leaves a football game with a loss, and feels better about it because we are graduating athletes."

Well, in my anything but humble opinion, your "crowd" needs to do a cranial rectum-otomy.  I love to win as much as the next guy, but I want to do it while keeping honor.  And I really do not care what all of the other schools are doing!

NotDisappointed
NotDisappointed

Great Read! Joe was so exciting to watch on Flats! Ramblin Wreck!


Radar123
Radar123

For the arch-rival game among others, it does effect the fan experience.

You cannot tell me leaving the East stands after another arch-rival loss was pleasant for the Tech fans there among many gloating Uga fans.

And I'll believe they are not disappointed and maybe angry with those who sold their seats when all of them post such thoughts.


Radar123
Radar123

Boston Red Sox fans "proved" in two days how much it matters to turn a home game into a neutral site.

Why else would opponents fans pay so much to do that to the Braves and Jackets?

Because it can make the difference in winning and losing.

Maybe Tech fans do not believe that but others fans do.

Look at how Kentucky basketball fans turn the SEC tourney into home games.


AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 "Or maybe I am bitter about one thing."

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For someone who says they aren't bitter, then explain why you have hijacked a thread about Joe Hamilton to continuously pound the same tired theme you've been fixated on for the last year?  If something has really consumed you to the point that you post multiple times a week knowing that all you are doing is aggravating other people, then you need help.  WnE does the exact same thing.  I know you are better than that.

Radar123
Radar123

Or maybe I am bitter about one thing.

The fans who sell out.

I was angry with the Braves fans who did so the last two days until I put a different spin on it.

Most of those loyal Braves fans who had to endure gloating Red Sox fans are also Dawg fans.

So those Dawg fans got a taste of what they do to us at arch-rival games.



Radar123
Radar123

Tech fans want me to go away (mostly) while Uga fans do not want me to quit the fan base.

It is harder and harder to find Tech fans to gloat at after every arch-rival loss in football.

I told an Uga friend not to get me anything for Christmas with Tech on it after another blown chance to beat them.

He did not believe me and bought me a beach chair with Tech on it.

I may be many things but bitter old man is not one of them.

I'm just tired of getting along with fans who get on players but not the ADs and coaches who get the big money.

If you looked at Johnson's history of when he goes for it on 4th down during his 6 years and you attended those games noting the irrationality of his decisions, no way you would want him to continue.

If Wommack deserved a firing after the 2009 season then Johnson has more than earned such a fate as well.

But Wommack was owed nothing and so fired while Johnson is owed millions and will stay.




Radar123
Radar123

If Johnson goes for it on the Uga 5 - up 17-0 - on 4th and goal, we win the game whether we score or not.

Score and we are up 24-0.

Fail to score and Uga's new QB remained bottled up with Bobo afraid to call any complicated plays.

They punt and we get field position and score.

The FG does little for us there.

In fact it relaxed Uga if anything.

Johnson lost the Miami game of 2012 after I forced myself to go 3 days after my mom's death.

4th and one with two minutes left, he punts though he regualrly goes for it from our side of the field (and fails)

I did not even get on him then and went to the ACCCG that year.

Where were all of you then?
Though FSU had much farther to go, their side of the stands was overflowing.

I use the word overflowing because on the fifty yard line of the upper deck, I had an FSU couple at my side.

The championship game and you folks cannot get the gumption to show up.

Do not run out the usual excuses.

Some times we have to tell the truth and I have decided - like it or not - that time is now.

As an AJC subscriber, I have paid for this space and I will say whatever I like.

If I have to take the whole fan base on, so be it.

The seats at the 50 for the ACCCG should be packed full of Tech fans.

Maybe not the ten or twenty but at least the fifty.

Did u make that game?

Why not?

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

Joe Hamilton was recruited during a time in Georgia Tech history when we played football to win.  O'Leary followed Ross and understood that winning a NC was not an impossibility at Georgia Tech.  It's a shame younger folks cannot remember this time.

What has since followed O'Leary's departure is a sham--- a complete charade of trying to appear competitive, but not getting the caliber of athletes that are capable of success.  And embarrassingly, trying to make up for mediocre performance on the football field with Muppet Shows for the kids.


GaTechOldTimer
GaTechOldTimer

When a recruit is more interested in honesty from a coaching staff than having his ego pumped up to the point of having stars in his eyes and visions of an NFL career before ever playing the first down in college - then you have a young man who is mature beyond his years and will be totally committed  to athletics and education alike. When you have a coaching staff who is more interested in being honest with a recruit about the needs of the athletic program and the rigors of the education being offered - than pumping up his ego and predicting a future career in the NFL - then you have a program on a solid footing that represents the institute with integrity and does everything they reasonably can - to foster the goals and dreams of the athlete. It all begins and ends with honesty on the part of both recruit and coaching staff.            

GTBob
GTBob

@Radar123 After going to the UGA game in Atlanta a few times I joined the sell my tickets crowd. The main reason: because just about everyone around my season tickets sell theirs as well. I could sit at the stadium surrounded by enemy fans for a game we will likely lose or I can sell my tickets for well over face value, subsidize my season ticket costs, and watch the game comfortable at home with family who is in town for the holidays. To me it isn't that tough of a choice. I don't even care what kind of fan it makes me. That is the only game I sell my tickets for though.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 "Boston Red Sox fans "proved" in two days how much it matters to turn a home game into a neutral site."

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 I find it truly amazing that a GT graduate uses such poor logic.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Then why did Boston get swept by Tampa just before coming to Atlanta?   You're equating correlation with causation.

Radar123
Radar123

@AugustaJacket @Radar123

Perhaps Augusta.

I'll consider that since u are friends with Super.

You would be surprised how much Super agrees with me about just about all our ADs.

He will post about it on occasion in one line so none of you take offense.

Today I am pounding it home and maybe have gone too far.

Concerning Stein's honoring of contracts comment, why is that not a two way street?

It is embittering for these prima donnas to get paid great and be set for life whether they produce or not.

Perhaps my fellow fans are so well off that does not bother them.

Stein should be looking for a way to fix that.

I think all future contracts should have an amount of payment if they are fired that is much lower than what they usually wind up with.

Gailey continued to get full payment even after getting a great job coaching the Buffalo Bills.

You know what.

Pepper Rodgers loved Tech, a lot more than Bill Curry, Gailey, Johnson and the rest.

I'd let a guy like Pepper stay who preferred Tech to anywhere else yet for his California ways, Tech fans could not wait to get rid of him.

Look at the schedules he faced.

Much, much tougher than Johnson's.

He went 3-3 vs Auburn.

Beat Uga twice I think or maybe just once.

All these quiet alums were going to get him just like they did Cremins.

I expect those debating today to deny this about both of them.

Pepper ran the wishbone not much different from Johnson's TO.

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@Radar123 

If you looked at Johnson's history of when he goes for it on 4th down during his 6 years and you attended those games noting the irrationality of his decisions, no way you would want him to continue.

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123 ...

You need to read the book "Scorecasting" ($15 at Barnes & Noble), and after reading chapter 2, entitled "Go For It, why coaches make decisions that reduce their team's chances of winning" ask yourself if you're still bitter with PJ b/c he goes for it so often on 4th down. 

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Yes, because contracts must be honored.   You griped that we didn't sign Ross (as though only one side gets a say) and you gripe that we did sign Johnson and Hewitt.  Must be nice to be able to operate with hindsight all the time.


By the way, your comment reeks of bitterness. 

GTBob
GTBob

@Birmingham__Jacket Huh? O'Leary complained all of the time about restrictions at Tech, and even coined his famous phrase about GT wanting to be MIT Monday through Friday and FSU on Saturday. For a guy who knew GT could win National championships and nothing was impossible, he sure did cry a lot about the things he had to deal with. Im not even going to get into all of his shadiness and his role in flunkgate either which completely crippled recruiting for Gailey following him.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birmingham__Jacket "Joe Hamilton was recruited during a time in Georgia Tech history when we played football to win."

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Do you even read the articles before you post?  Here's a quote from the article:


" You will remember that Hamilton was part of coach George O’Leary’s first recruiting class, on the heels of the 1-10 season in 1994."


If 1-10 is "playing to win," then you have no basis for besmirching CPJ's record ever again...

Radar123
Radar123

@Birmingham__Jacket

I can agree with this as well.

However O'Leary was greatly improved as a coach by the hiring of Ralph Freigen.

I have wondered whether the hiring was forced on him but it was at least enabled by allowing Freigen to be the highest paid coordinator in the country (according to ESPN).

That is how you get quality coaches btw.

The prior O coordinator handicapped Donny Davis' time at Tech though as usual, we got on the QB (like Auburn fans did Lothridge) instead of the coaches.

Why am I the bad fan for defending my heroes?

I'm not.

Taking up for our mediocre coaches because you fear paying them millions to do nothing is where u r at.

I can see that.

I have just seen enough of Johnson and Gregory.

It is my money.

I also wonder how the Goose would have done without Freigen but under the direction of some dumb coach.

Not as well, I am sure of that.

And maybe not nearly as well.

Radar123
Radar123

@GaTechOldTimer

I can agree with that.

If you noticed the last two days how Red Sox fans paid whatever price it took to buy from Braves fans - as Uga fans do to us every two years - then you saw an example of why I have parted company with both fan bases. (Tech, Braves and Falcons).

I have NEVER resold a Tech ticket.

Most of the fans, who do not like me and think me a troll, have sold and do so every year.

Look at the picture of the East stands from the 2013 arch-rival game.

I kinda enjoyed what Boston did to Dawg/Braves fans since Tech can no longer pull that off in football.

Old Timer, there was a picture of near adulation between QB and Bill Curry after a victory over Uga. The player may have been John Dewsberry.

Vad Lee obviously does not feel that way towards Paul Johnson.

He probably feels Johnson tied his hands with his out of date offense since Vad Lee was a star in the making in 2012 when not crippled by the TO.

It was not Vad Lee who failed Tech.

Johnson failed both Tech and Vad Lee.

And for that he gets 2.6 million dollars a year.

Go figure.

FreddieBlassie
FreddieBlassie

@GTBob @Radar123

Selling your tickets to Georgie people to put red in the stands while Tech players are competing against them makes you a Georgie fan and not worth a pitcher of warm spit. You and the others who do that should not be allowed to purchase tickets to the games. It would be better to have 30,000 empty seats than to have lizards like you in them. Go away.

BleedingGold
BleedingGold

@GTBob 

Seemed like everyone did this in 2012.  I was at the game and besides the band and those sitting in front of them, there was no white or gold anywhere in the stadium.  It was sad.....

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 @AugustaJacket I wasn't old enough to know better during the Pepper years, but what does it matter?  I certainly have had reservations about decisions made by past AD's and I am sure MBob will make some that I disagree with.  That's not going to change how I feel about the team as a whole.  You could bring back B*** L**** and I'd still be a GT fan.  (Harsh, but true)


The point I, GeorgeStein and others here are trying to make is this:  No matter what impact you think you have in boycotting, unless you are contributing Hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to GT, it isn't having an impact.  They can and will replace your lost season ticket sales.  Last year was a banner year for attendance in spite of so many people supposedly bailing on the team. 


If you disagree with the AD, write or call him.  Your passive-aggressive boycott and AJC Blog diatribes aren't getting you, the team or anyone else, any kind of satisfaction.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Concerning Stein's honoring of contracts comment, why is that not a two way street?


It is a two way street.   They didn't have the leverage in the contract negotiations to secure a guaranteed contract.   What part of this is difficult?

Radar123
Radar123

@GeorgeStein

Well when Johnson's trick play failed and when Wommack's defense at full strength after the 1st quarter stuffed Tech, he got revenge, didn't he?

I remember back the day when Tech sometimes got revenge like the 7-6 upset of Alabama.

Even Juvenal's son does not want to attend Tech games anymore which says something. (identical to my thought)

With Johnson, we are incapable of the thrilling upset.

How many years does he get to provide us with one?

Did you attend the ACCCG after the 2012 season?

You and others should be on those no-shows.

But they will not identify themselves.

I find them by their absence no matter where I sit because so often I get to converse with the other team's fans instead.

Not impressed enough by that to keep buying.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

@GTBob 

You never heard Gailey complaining or Johnson, do you?  That's because they don't want to win bad enough, and are content being losers.

I think winning football games is more important to me and other alums, than you.

I can promise you, no one in my crowd leaves a football game with a loss, and feels better about it because we are graduating athletes.


AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 @Birmingham__Jacket "I have wondered whether the hiring was forced on him but it was at least enabled by allowing Freigen to be the highest paid coordinator in the country (according to ESPN).

That is how you get quality coaches btw."

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Absolute truth.  And yet, you withhold the money that could help pay better assistants...

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 You do realize that by watching the Braves you are still consuming the product, right?  It's funny to me that you think that you've "parted company" yet you still seem to keep up with Braves and the Jackets.   It's even funnier because ticket sales are not the primary source of revenue for either (television revenue is).

JacketMan
JacketMan

Obviously, you never watched a football game thatt Vad Lee started for GA Tech, because if you had, you wouldn't have made such an ascinine statement as the one you just did. Paul Johnson added several diamond and shotgun formations to Tech's offense specifically to appease Vad Lee, moving him out from under center on a number of plays. Most of the play calling were handoffs to running backs, or passes, because Lee said he didn't want to take any hits.

If you watched Tech games, you would have seen the game plans worked exactly this way, yet Vad was STILL unhappy. That wasn't on Paul Johnson; that was 100% on Vad Lee. And just for the record, because PJ tried to accomodate Vad, Tech's rushing game was the worst it's been since he took over as Head Coach the Jackets.

Finally, Vad Lee KNEW he planned to transfer BEFORE the Jackets played in their Bowl game, yet kept that to himself, so PJ ddidn't have the option of benching him, and giving Thomas and Byerly snaps instead. Lee was selfish. Lee fails Paul Johnson and GA Tech, NOT the other way around.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 @GaTechOldTimer "He probably feels Johnson tied his hands with his out of date offense since Vad Lee was a star in the making in 2012 when not crippled by the TO.

It was not Vad Lee who failed Tech.

Johnson failed both Tech and Vad Lee."

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Do you even watch the games?  Vad won that game running the TO.  He ran 23 times for 112 yards and 2 TD's.  While he was 6/10 169 1 TD 1 INT through the air, his 32 yard TD pass to Godhigh said more about Godhigh's catching ability than it says about Vad's ability as a QB.  RG made an outstanding catch on an under thrown ball.  


Again, I do believe Vad would have benefited from staying at GT.  He was a first year starter still learning the offense.  Had he stayed, he would have been much better next year.  He didn't stay, however, and that's on him.  As GTBob said, he knew what kind of offense we ran when he committed.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Most of the fans, who do not like me and think me a troll, have sold and do so every year."


How do you even know this?


It's comments like that - comments that have no basis in fact or reality - that make me think you're a troll.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 @GaTechOldTimer "I have NEVER resold a Tech ticket.

Most of the fans, who do not like me and think me a troll, have sold and do so every year."

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Two things:


1.  I have never resold a Tech Ticket

2.  I didn't think you were a troll until you started trolling.  You've made your point.  Hijacking every thread to make it a referendum on why you have become a bitter old man is trolling.  Get over it.

GTBob
GTBob

@Radar123 So Johnson failed Vad Lee by not changing his entire offense to suit the game Vad wanted to play? Maybe Vad shouldn't have chosen a school that runs an option offense if he didn't want to play in an option offense. He has no one to blame but himself if he was unhappy with the offense we run here.

GTBob
GTBob

@forexbomb Do you really expect any of us to believe that you actually buy tickets or that you are a GT fan? I guess pretty soon MikeBanning is going to show up and give me a lecture about the morality of selling tickets also.

forexbomb
forexbomb

@FreddieBlassie @GTBob @Radar123 Damn right Freddie...  As much as I have been discontent with the offense... I would NEVER think about selling my tickets to a UGA fan!  Period.

GTBob
GTBob

@FreddieBlassie There is going to be red in the seats whether I sell them or not. Im not sure if you have noticed but the last 5-10 times or so that we have played them at home they have taken over the stadium. In my particular section, its really bad. I don't sell them to UGA fans outright. I make an attempt to sell them to GT fans. When that fails, and it always does, I put them on stubhub. If a UGA fan buys them, more power to them. I have little interest in going to the game and im not going to eat a fairly large amount of money I can get for the tickets. If GT wants to drop the UGA game and play a more interesting opponent in a better game day environment, I will be there cheering them on.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 We did honor the contract with Hewitt.   And, in retrospect, yes, the Hewitt deal was a mistake.   But at the time, everyone supported it.   If he had left after getting us to the title game, you'd be griping about how we had a coach and let him go.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Radar123 @GeorgeStein @AugustaJacket "Bobby Bonillas' contract with the Mets paid him ten or so years into the future for example."

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So you're saying we should emulate what is considered by many to be one of the WORST contracts in the history of sports?  (not just baseball) 

Radar123
Radar123

@GeorgeStein @AugustaJacket

Mr Stein.

The fan base has had in it for a lot of Tech past coaches and gotten them fired. Supersize agrees with me about that. Coach Carson for example. He was a defensive genius and beat Uga twice in a row, came within a play of three. The alums were determined to get rid of him and did.

Carson being fired resulted in McAshan's problem the next year.

Were we not a lot poorer than back in the day relatively and did not already "owe" Hewitt 1.7 million dollars for 5 years, 3 left I think, Johnson would be gone. Vad Lee's leaving would be the last straw. Well if you are so in support of honoring contracts, then enjoy the one we freely made with Hewitt. No one put a gun to the head of the Tech AD to make him give Hewitt the annual renewal contract. You'll admit, I hope, Hewitt's contract was a terrible idea. Hewitt, everyone likes to forget, was the hottest coach in the country for nearly winning the National Championship at a school not known for basketball achievements. Braine may have thought we could not afford the pay Hewitt wanted and might have gotten elsewhere and so agreed to this contract that works like a deferred pay deal.

No one points that out. 

Bobby Bonillas' contract with the Mets paid him ten or so years into the future for example.

I guess we do not have the money to keep anyone after they are successful here.

We are a stepping stone as Clemson, when we got Heisman from them, used to be for us.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@AugustaJacket I don't even really care that he chooses not to attend.  It doesn't affect me or my good time one way or another.   I just think it's nonsensical to tell others not to sell their tickets to fans of another team but decide that you shouldn't buy tickets at all because other people didn't buy hoops tickets when Hewitt was here.   I think that's essentially his reasoning.   If you can follow it, you're a helluva lot smarter than I.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Yeah, that's because that's how the contract was written.   This is not challenging.   If you're talented and rare enough, you can get favorable terms.  It should be noted, however, that you're wrong that coaches don't have buyouts.   Bobby Petrino has a $10MM buyout, I believe.


Also, I already answered your question.   I was at the 2012 ACCCG in Charlotte, just as I was in Tampa in 2009 and Jacksonville in 2006, not that I owe you an explanation,

Radar123
Radar123

@GeorgeStein @Radar123

Not so.

They tear up the contract when they want to go.

I just told a non-football fan how they are paid and he thought the system nuts. He's right.

Where were you guys when Hewitt was taking a pounding complete with insulting names on this blog?

I'm just curious if you attended the ACCCG of 2012?

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@GTBob @Radar123 

And, if you look at the # of 4*+ recruits UNC has singed vs GT over the past 9-10 seasons, PJ's 5 wins over the Tar Heels are upsets too. 

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@GTBob @Radar123 

Taking it one step further, GTBob .... based on talent disparity, any win over FSU (2) or Miami (1) are upsets as well. 

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Yes, I went to Charlotte.   The fact that you're aligning yourself with a child is quite telling.

GTBob
GTBob

@Radar123 This is nonsense. The UGA game in 2008 wasn't a thrilling upset? The Clemson game in 2011 wasn't a thrilling upset? Even the USC bowl game was a pretty big upset.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birmingham__Jacket I hate to be the bearer of bad news but from what I know, CPJ actually has a pretty good reputation with some of our high $ boosters. Some even play golf with him on a fairly regular basis. 

Also, he can't set a record for consecutive losses to UGA this year. He won't be able to pass Gailey's record until next year. Frankly, all that that record means is that he coached longer at GT than most other coaches, because every coach we have had has had a terrible record against UGA.

And he is not my beloved head coach. I just have enough common sense to realize that GT isn't some college football juggernaut waiting to happen and he isn't some incredible anchor holding us down. We will just agree to disagree on that.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

@GTBob

That' funny.  Thank goodness there are high $ boosters that think more like me, than you.  I can pretty much guarantee you that if/when your beloved HC sets a school record for consecutive losses to UGA this year, coupled with another mediocre 6 or 7 win season, he will be shown the door.  That's the "cup of tea".

GTBob
GTBob

@Birmingham__Jacket lol. Yeah, CPJ is content being a loser. That's why he fired a DC after winning an ACC championship, fired another one mid season, hired a special teams coordinator, fought for more recruiting staff, fought for more leniency in recruiting, etc. Yeah, he is just sitting around doing nothing.

As for graduating athletes, yes it matters to me. I don't want to be a factory that uses and abuses student athletes and throws them away when they are no longer needed. I like to root for kids and coaches who are worth rooting for. It doesn't make a loss feel better but it makes me feel better about the program and the school. The more you talk about College Football the more I wonder why you don't just root for a professional team. College Football doesn't seem like your cup of tea. 

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Birmingham__Jacket Uh, I'm pretty sure Johnson complained so much he got the president of the friggin' school to allow him unlimited special admits.  But hey, let's not let facts get in the way here.


Mainly, though, your comment reflects a fundamental lack of knowledge about the type of person who makes it to the level Johnson - and every other coach - is at.   These are the most extreme type A personalities around, and they sacrifice sleep, family, and any semblance of a normal life chasing wins.   To say they don't care enough only makes you look foolish.

Radar123
Radar123

@AugustaJacket @Radar123 @Birmingham__Jacket

I think if I met you, we would get along, believe it or not.

I control my anger when the fans around me sell seats with a policy I developed for such occasions.

I usually make friends with them.

When there were Mormons on both sides at the 20 yard line for the HOMECOMING game of 2012, I made conversion with both sides.

I learned how Mormons look at marriage from questioning the young couple next to me. (married for life and after-life, not trade the spouse in for something better at some point down the road)

Sounded better than the "burn the toast and divorce" of most folks these days.

My fellow "fans" next to me that season were very well off.

They decided to sell their tickets to get a partial refund on the season.

Though degreed, that was all the commitment they had to the team.

The Marines in Korea knew they folks on their sides would not cut and run.

However the Army on the other side of the main mountain range there did not know that.

The Marines kicked Chinese rears and the Army was whipped by a peasant army with no air force.

Source - "Breakout" written by a Marine corporal who felt a Marine corporal was as good or better a soldier than most Army sergeants.

I would sign up to "fight with marine-like" fans but if the Tech fan base is like the US Army in Korea, then why bother?

Saban would have a meltdown if he was a Tech fan or coach.

True or false?

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Radar123 Did you see the Braves fans selling out their team the last two days?

How did the Braves play?

Crummy.

Coincidence?


Yes, it was entirely coincidental.  

Radar123
Radar123

@AugustaJacket @Radar123 @GaTechOldTimer

I know this (the reselling of tickets) from the aggravation of the "fans" selling out next to me in both football and basketball every year.

Did you see the Braves fans selling out their team the last two days?

How did the Braves play?

Crummy.

Coincidence?

The home fans decided the higher price Red Sox fans would pay was more important than supporting their team.

Just like Tech fans do all the time.

I do know this for a fact: Juvenal at the UNC home game of 2012 was very ticked off at all their fans being there.

He should have also been ticked at the Tech folks who sold out their team.

Ask the Braves fans who went how they feel about the sellouts.

U might find similar feelings to mine. (or worse)